tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8214699729339673750.post7907779823939067768..comments2023-06-22T01:34:01.227-07:00Comments on SQL Tools: Programmers significantly underpaidrationalhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02398378934739504719noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8214699729339673750.post-28680071791549662012007-12-12T09:19:00.000-08:002007-12-12T09:19:00.000-08:00Some misconceptions in this posting:- Working more...Some misconceptions in this posting:<BR/>- Working more ( 60 hours ) is not a sign of a good programmer. Very strong people work less because they know it makes them do smarter stuff. Pair programming is very strenous and it doesn't work to pair for 60 hours a week. I dare say that If I pair for 30 hours a week, I produce more than anyone else in 60 hours. If you do a lot of pair programming: You can have a life too.<BR/>- The world is not black and white. We have a couple of very good people, clearly in the top 20% and some superstars. Superstars can give the entire company a new kick.<BR/>- Superstars at delegating can make affordable young talented people ( you call them "not programmers", but they may just be less experienced and frustrated from the work they get ) become superstars themselves (from being worse than average in the beginning).<BR/>- Life is not only about money. It can be very rewarding, to start your own company, to get paid very little and even to fail with your own company. <BR/>...if you lead your life your way and are aware of the privilege to do that.<BR/>...in comparison to one billion people on this planet who have problems to get fresh driking water every day.Carl Rosenbergerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14828570538290265779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8214699729339673750.post-61377444266215579862007-12-11T15:17:00.000-08:002007-12-11T15:17:00.000-08:00you can remove the word "programmer" since this 80...you can remove the word "programmer" since this 80/20 rule is in place for most jobs in most organizations.salhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17845938848671168079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8214699729339673750.post-20738427956750727372007-12-11T14:32:00.000-08:002007-12-11T14:32:00.000-08:00I don't disagree that there are times in which sof...I don't disagree that there are times in which software engineers work 60 hours a week or even more. But if your average week (including vacation and holidays) is that busy, you need to have a talk with your manager about your schedule. If every week is a crunch week, someone needs to do a better job planning.<BR/><BR/>And regarding your neighbor the lawyer, are you suggesting that lawyers don't do any work when they are not on the phone? Plus a good portion of that fee probably goes to the firm (I'm thankfully not that familiar with a law firm's billing practices though, so I could be wrong). Anyways, I'm sure the average lawyer doesn't make 12 times the average programmer (especially since they often work much longer hours), as that would put them making close to a million a year.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09982705096772864357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8214699729339673750.post-26528497440079991442007-12-11T13:13:00.000-08:002007-12-11T13:13:00.000-08:00Perhaps the reason is that the first group is disp...Perhaps the reason is that the first group is disproportionately tied to increasingly obsolete languages and platforms.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09756943975692131137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8214699729339673750.post-19726280882187077312007-12-11T09:48:00.000-08:002007-12-11T09:48:00.000-08:00Interesting post! But, it's not as easy as to say ...Interesting post! But, it's not as easy as to say that the elite programmers are underpaid. <BR/>It's all about business value. The systems and the applications we produce must in the end bring back more than they cost to produce, and we should be paid accordingly. But as you indirectly point out: Our business is currently overpaid, and I've seen many "great" programmers, with all the right education, not pulling their weight. <BR/>We must either become more efficient, or accept a decline of salary.<BR/>I think we're on the right track though, with agile and all.<BR/><BR/>I wrote more on this subject on my weblog some time ago: http://www.hans-eric.com/2007/11/28/the-firepower-of-teams/<BR/><BR/>RegardsHans-Eric Grönlundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02013170865485036567noreply@blogger.com